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Message started by Saltbush Bill on Oct 27th, 2009 at 10:06pm

Title: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Oct 27th, 2009 at 10:06pm
Information has come to light regarding these camp ovens that indicates they were either made by or made for Queensland Rail. They were probably used by linesmen / gangers ect .
They are a very solidly built oven and easy to recognise having a cross on the lid and rectangular legs.
All 3 examples I have seen were 12 inch ovens
If anyone has more information please add it to this post.

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Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by poddy dodger on Oct 28th, 2009 at 12:11pm
A very nice robust pot to add to yer collection but $400 ????    Phew


pd

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Stump Jump on Oct 28th, 2009 at 1:48pm
Nice buy SBB, I reckon she'll make a top cooking pot if yer planning to use her.

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Oct 28th, 2009 at 1:52pm
NO NO SJ.....I didnt buy it ......I already had one

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Troyk on Oct 28th, 2009 at 6:14pm
SBB, try the railway museum at Ipswich.

I went on the tour one day through the old workshops and they said they made everything that was cast iron, tools, solder pots etc. Didn't think they made CO's but would have made sense.

Here is a link.

http://www.theworkshops.qm.qld.gov.au/

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Derek on Oct 28th, 2009 at 6:21pm

Troyk wrote on Oct 28th, 2009 at 6:14pm:
SBB, try the railway museum at Ipswich.

I went on the tour one day through the old workshops and they said they made everything that was cast iron, tools, solder pots etc. Didn't think they made CO's but would have made sense.

Here is a link.

http://www.theworkshops.qm.qld.gov.au/


Thanks Troy

Have sent them an email with a photo.


Derek

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Kingsthorpe David on Oct 29th, 2009 at 9:13am
This may add to this thread:

Hey David,               Thursday, 22 October 2009
Thanks for your email and kind comments on my web site. :-) I cannot say for sure that it is a Qld Railway Camp oven, but I do know my Dad had one almost identical to the one in the image you have sent me and worked for many years with Queensland Railways in the fettling gangs in the late 50's and early 60's so its a good possibility it may have been ex Queensland Railways but I can't confirm it. If you are after one I did happen to notice one for sale on e-bay. Do a search under QR or Qld Railways or similar to find it.
For confirmation about the ID of the camp oven I suggest you contact the Workshops Rail Museum which is based on the site of the old Ipswich Workshops. They can be found on line at: http://www.theworkshops.qm.qld.gov.au/  Perhaps you could visit them in Ipswich where they have an extensive historical archive library and reading room on Queensland Railway history or you could ring them direct (07) 3432 5100 for further information and help. Trust this has been of some help to you David.
Cheers, Colin Power.
Colin's Queensland Railways Internet Photo Album Banner
http://www.colinp.net/

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Kingsthorpe David on Oct 29th, 2009 at 9:19am
Re: Railway Camp Ovens‏
From:  Jody Ashford (highfieldspioneerv@westnet.com.au)  
Sent: Friday, 16 October 2009 5:40:16 PM
To:  David Cheetham (dgcheetham@hotmail.com)

Hi David,
Dad said to contact Ned Winter from Ned's Corner, he would know.
or to contact the local rail museum: http://www.downssteam.com/contactus.htm
Cheers,
Jody

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by poddy dodger on Oct 29th, 2009 at 9:37am
G'day David,  talking to Ned Winter a few months ago and I asked him if he had an email address and his reply was, "Hell I can't even understand how to operate a TV remote control".
He lives just south of Dalby at Cecil Plains, nice bloke and he's forgotten more about camp ovens than we know.

pd

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Kingsthorpe David on Oct 29th, 2009 at 10:07am
I saw Ned last Sunday at a Poets breakfast and never thought to approach him about this issue.
No doubt he would have spun me a 'tall story'................

KD

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by COwest on Apr 9th, 2010 at 2:33pm
Found this extract from a Queensland Main Roads - Our Story - MRD location Branch 1928-1961

The Branch also regulated the type of camp equipment issued to parties. A Circular Letter, issued in October 1958, listed the cooking utensils to be issued to each man as :- 2 mugs, 3 plates, 1 knife, 1 fork, 2 spoons, 2 billy cans 4 quarts, 1 billy can 12 quart, 1 small water bag, 1 small frying pan, 1 wash basin, and to be shared by 2 men, 1 meat safe, 1 open bucket, 1 bucket with lid, and 1 camp oven.
The first refrigerator was issued in 1949. Wood stoves were not approved for issue until 1958. The Branch also designed the pyramid tents which were the first choice of surveyors, and purchased the first 4WD’s. ex- army jeeps.

Could this be the Queensland camp oven with the cross on the lid?



Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Apr 9th, 2010 at 2:57pm
Interesting reading COwest........could well be one and the same.
At one stage KD added this in another part of the forum it also mentions Main Roads Dep


Kingsthorpe David wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 6:12pm:
I bumped into Ned Winter (famous Qld camp oven cook) today in the Tender Centre. He owns one of these and calls this item "the main roads camp oven, made by the Government, also used by Railway fettlers".
Has a cross like a Hotcross Bunn on top.

KD

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Glenndog on Nov 25th, 2010 at 3:04pm
This maybe a bit late after this topic started, but I just joined and I have one of those Camp ovens. They are made in the Bundaberg Foundary on rainy days. They also make a much bigger one maybe 20-24 inches. I haven't seen to many of the big one though many people from Bundaberg do have the 12 inch one.

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Nov 25th, 2010 at 6:15pm
G'day Glenn and welcome to  the forum.
I have a few questions
Does the bigger one have the same cross pattern on top?
Do they sell either size from the foundry.......if they are still made????
Also wondering if yours was second hand or you got it from the foundry somehow????
Any other info you have on these ovens would be of interest to many of the members here im sure.
SBB

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Glenndog on Nov 26th, 2010 at 7:15am
Hi Bill, yes the bigger one does have the cross on top. They don't actually sell them to the public, I think the guys just make them on rainy days for themselves and their friends. I was just lucky to get one from a friend. It still had the pouring dag attached on top of the lid and underneath the base which I had to grind off.  I then sand blasted it and made sure the lid had a good fit by chalking the contact rim of the lid and spinning it on the base and grinding off any high spots(which there was only one very small one). My friend has since moved on so I can't ask for another as I would like to get the big version. I know they have been making them for many years, I remember my father talking about them when we went camping 40 years ago(hell I'm getting old). I don't know how you would get your hands on one, but if I find someone I know that works there,( I never stop looking and asking) I will certainly find out what I can and let you know.
Glenn

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Nov 26th, 2010 at 8:11am
Thanks for that Glenn......all very interesting. Id love to get hold one of the bigger ones too. If you ever come across a base without lid for a small oven Id be keen to know as well as mine has had its legs chopped off :(

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by frypanfil on May 9th, 2014 at 7:40pm
what are they worth? are they valuable or just interesting? wondering,frypanfil. :)

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Derek on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:50pm
A little bit more history to add to these.  Click on the linkl.

https://ehive.com/account/5386/object/402173/Camp_Oven


Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Chally on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 6:38pm
Excellent little piece of history Derek.

Jeff

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by poddy dodger on Apr 4th, 2015 at 8:02am
Yeah...I know someone who has TWO.   :D :D :D

Rob.

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Kingbrown on Apr 4th, 2015 at 8:56am
I am still to add one of these to my collection. Also I am hoping to one day add a Carron with the patterned lid to my collection.

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Aug 10th, 2015 at 6:19pm
Over the last few years Ive picked up another couple of these ovens. My original had no legs on the pot, All bar one of these ovens have been assembled from parts as I found them.
Thought I would post some more examples of them in this section as your unlikely to see 3 of them together very often.


Two of the four bases I have came with the same kind of bail arm on them. The two bases were found many miles apart, it seems unlikely that the same person made both bails. This could be an indication that these are original factory bails. Im pretty sure Ive also seen this type of bail on a another oven that was listed on Ebay a fair while ago.

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Dec 13th, 2015 at 1:15pm
The photos I posted in my last post here don't seem to work, so I will post them again.
Since the photos were taken one of these ovens had gone to live with Poddy.



Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Derek on Dec 13th, 2015 at 1:27pm

Saltbush Bill wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 1:15pm:
The photos I posted in my last post here don't seem to work, so I will post them again.


Not sure why that happens.  I managed to get one of them back

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Saltbush Bill on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:01pm

Derek wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 1:27pm:
Not sure why that happens.  I managed to get one of them back


Is it something to do with the code becoming corrupt or changing in some way Derek?


Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by poddy dodger on Dec 14th, 2015 at 1:57pm
I think the one I adopted was the middle one in the picture as it didn't have a bail. I have since made one up identical to the originals. BTW a nice solid oven Rory, I am pleased with it.

Rob.

Title: Re: Queensland Railways Camp Oven
Post by Derek on Dec 16th, 2015 at 10:57am

Saltbush Bill wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 6:01pm:
Is it something to do with the code becoming corrupt or changing in some way Derek?


I think they change the code for some reason.  I can go into the post and get the original code that takes me to a page where the image is bit then I need to save the image location again

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