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Message started by grump on Jul 6th, 2011 at 1:52pm

Title: Found this today
Post by grump on Jul 6th, 2011 at 1:52pm
What do you reckon, an Asian copy or a more recent casting?.
It is very similar to that described by Geoff "gone_phishin" on this link
http://www.aussiecampovenforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1196157730/0
The cast in '12 inch' and the bail handle has me scratching my head :-?
Was told that it was originally his (great?) Grandfathers but you know how these stories can be based on the truth or a figment of imagination..  ;D

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Title: Re: Found this today
Post by astroboy on Jul 6th, 2011 at 2:23pm
Looks like a Thomas Sheldon Wolverhamton camp oven. Very nice oven and very collectable. See if you can make out the writing on the lid Grump it might tell you a bit more. Definitely not a copy.
Astro.

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by poddy dodger on Jul 6th, 2011 at 3:02pm
I'll confirm that Astro, definitely a Sheldon and you know how I know lol. The little I can tell you is that Sheldon were a big foundry in the UK in the early part of last century and a rough guess Grump is that your oven was cast in the 1920's or 30's.
Don't put too much importance on the bail, they were almost always added after purchase, I've never seen two the same, I make mine up as most of my ovens came without or with a bit of No8 fencing wire.

pd  

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by Nelson on Jul 6th, 2011 at 8:06pm
Very nice find Grump, and looks in nice condition if you get the time please post more photos of the oven :)

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Jul 7th, 2011 at 10:10am
Thanks for the info Paddy and Astro.

Were they manufactured with legs,legless or in both forms?

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Aug 4th, 2011 at 6:41pm

Nelson wrote on Jul 6th, 2011 at 8:06pm:
Very nice find Grump, and looks in nice condition if you get the time please post more photos of the oven :)

Not so.

It was left at my sons place last night and he delivered it this morning.
"A small chip in the lid" he said. Well, I can live with that I said to myself.

Gave it the quick soak in caustic then hauled it out for a scrub.
Here is what  I have...  sadness   :'(                                                        
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Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Aug 4th, 2011 at 6:42pm
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Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Aug 4th, 2011 at 6:44pm
.Looks good from this perspective :)
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Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Aug 4th, 2011 at 6:46pm
What to do about it????

You're a capable bunch; any realistic suggestions??
Not too hurtful though, OK..................
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Title: Re: Found this today
Post by TBF on Aug 4th, 2011 at 7:14pm
That's not pretty grump.
Billy Bush Cook is a man that works with metal..He may have a solution..

Aart

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by TBF on Aug 4th, 2011 at 7:34pm
I cooked for 100 at a 50th birthday over the weekend..
Used my 20"       2 x 14"   2 x 12 "
Borrowed a mates 15"  and the birthday boy's 12" chinese.
The 12" chinese was on the nose as a reult of excess oil in the pot for far too long a period.

Decided to burn it off over a hot section of coals for about 10 miutes.
then to brush out the pot and lightly oil to start cooking a curry.

Before i got it off the coals.  dirty big vertical crack in the cast iron.
In the bin it went after i finished doing rice in it.

Will post photos of the pots in action when I get the CD from the photographer.

Aart

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by poddy dodger on Aug 4th, 2011 at 9:21pm
I'd feel pretty gutted too Grump, that's  a serious crack. Although I've never used it I've often wondered about J-B Weld  repair, comes in 2 pack and claims to be good in repairing cracks in cast iron etc and can withstand temps up to 500 deg F. Check eBay.

pd

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by 69conroy on Aug 5th, 2011 at 12:11pm
PD
   i looked in to J B weld & they said
   not to use on cooking pot's. :(
   But this may be wrong, it may be
   just someone else's opinion. I just
googled it.

Daryl

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Aug 5th, 2011 at 1:59pm
I will see my scrappy mate tomorrow for some donor cast iron.
Time to practice some braze welding; did someone mention Eutectic 680 rods??... or I will see my neighbour.
Damn, I wish Cliff was still with us. He was a magic boilermaker engineer.

This episode has prompted me. I am going to treat my Falkirk with more respect and take extra care with it. I now have it stored inside a cut down heavy wall plastic detergent drum and that works well.

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by poddy dodger on Aug 5th, 2011 at 4:22pm

grump wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 1:59pm:
I am going to treat my Falkirk with more respect  

LOL Grump, I don't take any of my better pots on the road, I usually take an 11" Harding with a 9" Chinese oven without legs which fits neatly inside it and carry them in a specially made box, OK so far.
Re welding with Eutectic rods is probably the way I'd go, my son brazed up a cracked Metters oven for me and while he did a beautiful job it still leaked,  as fast as he fixed one crack another appeared, all to do with expansion and contraction.
Just for interest, I have a couple of old ovens that were repaired many years ago before the sophisticated welding equipment available now and whoever did the work was a magician, the welds are hardly noticeable.

pd  

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by hotwelder on Aug 5th, 2011 at 7:02pm

grump wrote on Aug 5th, 2011 at 1:59pm:
did someone mention Eutectic 680 rods??..

G,day grump,
I hope you dont have to pay for them,great rods for dissimilar metals and other apps,but cost a fortune and I,ve never seen them in "handy packs".
I dont know if they would be my first choice for a job like that on an old castiron.Just my opinion,fwiw.
cheers George

Title: Re: Found this today
Post by grump on Aug 6th, 2011 at 8:05am
Hey George.

I was quoted $25 for a pack of 10 Eutectic 680 2.5mm. Seems cheap as the last two 3.2 I bought cost $6 each(??). I used those to weld up a insert for the flypress wheel and found them nice and buttery(?) to use.
If this is a goer then it will be entrusted to someone who knows how to weld. That is not me...

George, what would be your preference about the correct rods and method ? Besides giving it to the scrappy ;)

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