My best guess; after digging about and then looking at the Forest Service Cookery booklet, I'm thinking it is an old NZ Forest Service camp cooker.
The images in the PDF appear to show 'ears' that are drilled to accept the bail wire. Same as this one.
Its just on 12" diameter, aluminium, very definitely patterned from a Carron. Maybe a special order for the Forest Service from the Carron works ??

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Mate we had a report a few years ago about this design from NZ.  Sadly the photos that were linked to an outside server have gone.

Have a read through here - http://www.aussiecampovenforum.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1196157730/all

You will see a photo on Geoff's profile.  Have reproduced it below but a bit blurry due to increase size

I think I have the original photos on an old hard drive somewhere so will have a look for it. 

I recall our final analysis was that there was a foundry in NZ using that pattern on their lids.  This is however the first time I have seen an aluminum one.

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I would say that it is a knock off of a Carron oven made in NZ.

I can't see any possibility of it being a genuine Carron oven. Being made of aluminium, the handle shape, solid ears, no legs and no Carron branding (should be around the handle) all seems to back this up IMO.

Jeff

Hi and thanks Derek.
I do recall that thread and if my memory serves me well it was also cause for discussion on the USA site too.
That one is a genuine c.i example, nice too.

A bloke down the line bought an Alumask 12" aluminium camp oven off me some time back. This one had the original screw-in legs with it too.
This bloke runs a company that has quite a few cullers and the like who bowl over ferals and such from the bush.
His Father was also a culler back in the day late 50s/early 60s +.
I have found a snapshot of his Fathers old aluminium CO that is still in use. Apart from the broken lid handle it is identical. Hows that for nostalgia? :)
He prefers them for the weight advantage in the bush.
Later I'll flick him an email and find some more about these units.

I resorted to taking an image of the ODT file. So here is that original old cullers CO.

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Very likely you are right Jeff.
I was stabbing in the dark with that stretched suggestion.

The crowd that still make the Alumast (old Alumask) may be able to shed some light on the subject; or better still maybe some ex cullers may have the real oil.

grump wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

he crowd that still make the Alumast (old Alumask) may be able to shed some light on the subject

Can you still get them over there????

Derek wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

grump wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 2:12pm: he crowd that still make the Alumast (old Alumask) may be able to shed some light on the subject Can you still get them over there????

Yes you sure can Derek. I haven't bought from them, preferring the old original pieces.
I'm not a fan of aluminium cookware but the cullers CO is a bit special IMO.

From the source in Wellington.
Available in 10" and 12" diameters.


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grump wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

he crowd that still make the Alumast (old Alumask) may be able to shed some light on the subject; or better still maybe some ex cullers may have the real oil.

Please let us know what you find out from them Grump.

Jeff

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Please let us know what you find out from them Grump. Jeff

Sure will Jeff.

There has been no reply from the Wellington crowd that makes the Alucast on any
association with the NZ Forest Service COs as yet.
The good news is I have had response from the NZ Cullers site and am waiting on a good bloke from
that organisation.
In the meantime with kind permission and courtesy of http://www.nzdeercullers.org.nz  here are some images
of the said camp oven in use and in the huts.
Have a look around their site, there is good historical images and tales from that special era.

I am quite certain that the first two images are the aluminium 12" COs.

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It definitely looks like they are the same ovens alright. I hope you can find out their origin mate. Love that first photo!

Jeff

I am picking up small pieces of information Jeff, but it's slow going.
No news from the crowd down Wellington way but I have some of my own images of the
cullers CO that I took recently.
Only one flaw and that doesn't bother me too much. I could have it welded (on the ear side)
but for now I am thinking that I will leave well enough alone. I can't see it traveling like a cast one might.

I spoke with my contact down the island and going by the numbers on the base, it looks
like it could be 1959. Also of note is that there is no F S cast in.
I will post some images of his for comparison.
It would be interesting to be able to narrow it down to when the Forest Service began issuing
these.
 

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Thanks for the photos. I can't see that little fault causing any trouble. That round patch on the bottom looks like a factory repair. It has 12 C.O under the lid which would probably be 12" Camp Oven. Thanks for the update and keep digging as it will be interesting to find out its origins.  :)

Jeff

Chally wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Thanks for the photos. I can't see that little fault causing any trouble. That round patch on the bottom looks like a factory repair. It has 12 C.O under the lid which would probably be 12" Camp Oven. Thanks for the update and keep digging as it will be interesting to find out its origins.  :)  Jeff

I'm not sure about your suggestion that the round on the base is a patch, it may have more to do with the casting method. Then again I am no expert on foundry work, all I know is what I have read and observed.
There is no indication of a repair on the interior.

Below are some images of Jasons' CO that I mentioned earlier in the piece.
And a link to the work he does and where he is known to put his camp catering cooking skills to work. You Tube also has some more of the work he does with his crew of specialists.

http://www.bcl.kiwi/   

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A nice looking loaf of fresh bread, baked in the kitchen with Jasons' family heirloom.

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grump wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

'm not sure about your suggestion that the round on the base is a patch, it may have more to do with the casting method. Then again I am no expert on foundry work, all I know is what I have read and observed. There is no indication of a repair on the interior.

You could be right about that being where they poured the metal - sprue mark. It was off centre and seemed rather big so close to the surface that is why I thought it may have been a repair. Does the one of Jason's look the same?

Jason's oven has certainly had some use over the years. That loaf of bread looks tops!

Jeff

Chally wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 10:11pm:

grump wrote on Dec 15th, 2015 at 7:33pm: 'm not sure about your suggestion that the round on the base is a patch, it may have more to do with the casting method. Then again I am no expert on foundry work, all I know is what I have read and observed. There is no indication of a repair on the interior. You could be right about that being where they poured the metal - sprue mark. It was off centre and seemed rather big so close to the surface that is why I thought it may have been a repair. Does the one of Jason's look the same? Jason's oven has certainly had some use over the years. That loaf of bread looks tops! Jeff

Hi Jeff. I had another good look in decent light yesterday and you are likely on the money.
The highlighted area corresponds with that raised piece on the base.
I'll flick an email to Jason and see what he has to say on the matter. We shall see...

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grump wrote on Dec 17^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

I'll flick an email to Jason and see what he has to say on the matter. We shall see...

It will be interesting to see what he has to say about it. I enjoy looking into the history of our camp ovens. There is just so much missing information.

Jeff