AUSTRALIA'S ORIGINAL AND BEST CAMP OVEN AND OUTDOOR COOKING AND CAMPING FORUM

Reply #20 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 2:40pm

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My vibes are that after having gone through countless eras of technical development, including the bronze age, if cooking in bronze made good food, we'd know about it.

After all they spent ages eating with pewter only there's something in it like lead. I know you can't combine tomatoes and pewter and folks thought the lovely, yummy, can't-live-without tomato was poison for the longest time because of that.

Start with google and something like 'cook with bronze' or bronze cookery. & report back please, You've got us curious.

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Reply #21 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 2:59pm

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G'day LK

Bronze cookware may have been good enough for our ancestors during the Bronze Age, but it doesn't sound a good idea these days. I found a site which suggested that bronze alloy also contains traces of lead and arsenic which may be released into fluids when the metal is heated.

It looks like I'll just have to stick with me good ole cast iron pots afer all. Wink

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Reply #22 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 3:53pm

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Saw a 12" custom made stainless steel camp oven at the CO comp at Casino a couple of years ago. It was a thing of beauty (as I also suffer from "Chrome Disease" I'm attracted to anything shiny) but the owner said it took a bit of skill to control the heat over a fire and he only used it for display.
I was so impressed with it when I got home I tried to make one using a s/s bowl, welding legs and ears on it and fabricating a lid........ ahhh well, another unfinished dream lol.
Like you SJ, I'll stick to good old CI

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Reply #23 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 3:58pm

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I have charts above my Lathe in the shed which show all types of metals, their properties & thier aplications for when I'm ordering metal to make engine components, bearings etc,
I just checked on the Bronzes,
It lists three main Bronze Alloys
1. LG Bronze - a leaded gun metal bronze.
2. PB Bronze - Phosphur Bronze.
3. (the one I use the most) AG Bronze - Alluminium Bronze, it has the highest Brinell Hardness, i use it for "little end" bearings in engines & other high impact bearings & bushings, it is more dense than the others (does not look porous) & is VERY expensive.

considering what they are Alloyed with, I would not cook with any of them!!!

Now these Alloying elements (Alluminium, Phosphur & Lead) are only the primary Alloying element, there is other crap in them too, I havn't looked at the actual chemical make up of them (it is on the chart too) but I'll bet it isn't good!!

If I was going to make a CO out of any thing other than CI, I would simply fabricate one out of 6mm steel plate!

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Reply #24 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 4:25pm

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OK, just went out to get another beer & had another look,
The chemical components in all three Bronzes contain these elements in varying quantities,

Cu Sn Zn Pb Si Al Fe Ni Mn

Now going just from memory (yes I'm showing off now Grin

) they are, in order:-

Copper, Sn ?, Zinc, Lead, Silicon, alluminium(pure), iron, Nickel & Magnesium.

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Reply #25 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 5:08pm

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Thanks for that Mick....very interesting.....a lot of stuff in there Id prefer not to have in my tucker.

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Reply #26 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 5:25pm

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I'm only guessing now but I think Max at Billmans said he buys the bronze ingots in at $1800 per tonne, the cast iron comes in from scrap metal merchants, CI baths, manifolds, old pot belly stoves etc and gets recycled, you just never know what your oven was in a previous life.

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Reply #27 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 6:37pm

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BillyBushCook wrote on Feb 21^st, 2009 at 2:35pm:

George, I will let you elaborate on this one......

G,day mick,the last couple of potbellies I,ve made didnt have a welded seam between the brake drums,infact the only welded joint was the flue spiggott out from the side of the top section.even heat and SLOW cooldown is very inportant.As for MIG welding CI,I wouldnt recommend it.
cheers George

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Reply #28 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 6:51pm

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Hmmmmmm interesting PD.......does that mean I could deliver my own cast iron....an arm load of old broken FJ holden manifolds or the family bathtub and have it come back as a camp oven......be a real novelty oven...and a one off.....especially if you had the (before photo)

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Reply #29 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 8:16pm

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SBB. While we were there at the foundry a bloke was breaking up old cast iron baths etc and feeding them into an open top electric furnace, skimming off the slag (?) and pouring the molten metal into a crucible before putting it into the prepared molds, 18" camp ovens, very interesting.

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