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Reply #30 - Mar 4^th, 2013 at 7:15am

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Where would they have poured from then? Jeff

I have had a quick look but will check again today.
Perhaps it was poured from the lip which would suggest later manufacture.
Do we know when that method of pouring was first instituted?
I spoke with the person I purchased it off. They have owned it for some 10 years. Before that it was given to them by an elderly person from Greymouth (South Island NZ) who previously had it was passed on to him by his Mother. Perhaps she had inherited it also, but who knows for sure.

So maybe its at least 70-90 years old; maybe more???

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Reply #31 - Mar 4^th, 2013 at 8:03pm

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Thanks for the update Grump. I am interested in where it was poured from and when that method started.

It's great when you can find out some history that goes with an oven I reckon.

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Reply #32 - Mar 4^th, 2013 at 8:33pm

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Spent a bit of time over the last couple of days trying to research the Albatross Camp Oven or Dutch Oven but have come up blank. Only reference to it that I can find all refer back here to the forum and old eBay links where there has been the odd one over the years.

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Reply #33 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 6:29am

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Well, I cannot see any real evidence of having been bottom poured. The sidewall section is real fine, maybe 3-3.5mm and the base is quite heavier as you would expect. The lid is a nice neat fit with some small allowance for side movement; there is no wobble at all.
I look at it and think on these features and it occurs to me that the artisans who were involved were a cut above and well worthy of high praise for their skills and the extra attention that has been exercised in their production ...
All in all, these are fine cast items IMO.

Do we have any contact with cast iron forums located in the old country?? I have looked and cannot see anything..
Or which historical society/museum would be best to approach?

Thanks for your efforts Derek. Would you list here or send any relevant links to me that you have come upon?

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Reply #34 - Mar 10^th, 2013 at 8:46am

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That is the problem. There is very little on the Internet about these things. If you read through the History section above this there are some links but not a lot unfortunately.

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Reply #35 - Mar 19^th, 2013 at 7:43am

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Here's a link to a 12/9/1850 advertisement in the SA Register newspaper advertising Albatross of Liverpool pots and camp ovens.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38439357

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Reply #36 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 6:05am

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Thanks a heap for your research Stump. Did you stumble upon that gem of information or were you seeking it out?
The mind wonders just how old this CO is; going by that newspaper listing, potentially over 150 years Cool

Tying the Albatross foundry to Liverpool is a definite bonus and I am hoping will lead to further illumination on these pieces.

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Reply #37 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:55pm

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Stump, I have thought on and can recall coming upon reference to a ship by the name "Albatross". There is every likelihood that is what the Albatross reference in that article is about- the ship, and not the camp oven???

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Reply #38 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

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I think you are right grump,

It lists all kinds of goods, not just camp ovens.

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Reply #39 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 5:25am

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From my research I would date this oven to 1875 to 1900.

"Pieces of cast iron cookware made around 1875 to the present time have the iron enter the mold from the sides (usually in two places, sometimes opposite one another), which creates a smooth bottom. Current techniques have the iron coming in from the side, so look for one or more places on the side of the iron with heavy grinding marks--that is where the iron entered the mold. The grinding was done to get rid of the excess metal from the pour."
"The earliest pieces (1875 to 1900) were thinner than those produced later. This thinness led to a high number of pieces that cracked or warped during use. Pieces produced during this time also had fewer finishing steps on the production line, and many of the gem pans have a slightly more primitive appearance."

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